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adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:17:43 AM »
My first post here, but I have read about 9 threads before decided to post. I tried DYI section of the forum (not a single answer there), but it seems that here I could have more success. I will split my question over 3 posts, because when I try to write it all in one post it is too large for this forum engine.

I have a DSC PC1616H with RFK-5501-433 keypad and 12 wireless motion sensors connected to the keypad.

At some point I have noticed that I am losing connection with sensor 11 and 12 and their batteries is running out all the time (I have changed them 4 times in 3 years, while other sensors run on original batteries so far). The yellow/amber error light would come up on the RFK-5501-433 keypad, I would press *2, digit 5 would be displayed, i would press 5 and either 11 or 12 would be displayed flashing.

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 02:20:00 AM »
In the first year of my use of the system, I would have this too, but I moved sensors 11 and 12 closer to the RFK-5501-433 keypad (about 1 meter closer). I must add, that sensor 11 and 12 are in an underground garage with thick reinforced concrete beams and slabs.

So i decided to replace the sensors 11 and 12 with some wired ones. At the same time, this being an underground garage, when I arrive home, I must stop in front of the gate, open the house and disarm the alarm on the RFK-5501-433 keypad, then go back into the car and operate the garage opener (otherwise I will trigger the sensors 11 and 12 which are in the garage - ask me how I know).

Since i will be doing a mess with drilling and laying wires for sensors 11 and 12, I fought I might as well wire an additional keypad in the garage, right? So in that case, I would open the garage, drive in, disarm the alarm from the keypad in the garage, correct?

Now, I am not a professional engineer so I would like to know if this is doable? Or maybe I am wrong entirely and I should have an entire different way of solving the initial problem?

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 02:20:35 AM »
Sorry for a long post, but I really wanted to explain everything first before I go buy something expensive, but useless.

P.S. I also bought a Hikvision camera which has connectors for an alarm integration, but I will do first one task and then see if I can add the camera too.

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2018, 04:09:49 AM »
in the meantime, got a reply on a utube channel that the second keypad should be connected in parallel with the existing keypad.

Now the question remains where to connect (and how) the 2 wired motion sensors)

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2018, 11:00:51 AM »
Well, if you cannot home run cables for the motions, then you could probably run one to the garage keypad and use the Z terminal in the keypad.  Then run the second motion along with the keybus cable to the other keypad and use that Z terminal as well.
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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 02:54:36 AM »
Well, if you cannot home run cables for the motions, then you could probably run one to the garage keypad and use the Z terminal in the keypad.  Then run the second motion along with the keybus cable to the other keypad and use that Z terminal as well.

Thank you for reply!

Regarding using the Z terminal of the second keypad: the motion detector has 4 wires, right? Shall I connect green wire to the Z connector, then red, black and yellow to the respective coloured terminals on the keypad?

I can try and run the wires all the way to PC1616 along the wires for the second keypad, however connecting directly to the second keypad would be nice.

Once again, many thanks for your input, I am new to this field and try to learn as I go.

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 10:33:08 AM »
for connecting motion detectors to a keypad zone you will need to assign the keypad zones in section 020, set the zone type and make it an active zone.

connect the r and b terminals of the keypad to the smoke power terminals

connect the contacts of the motion det to z and b of the keypad
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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 11:48:31 AM »
Each of the terminals of the keypad will have the following...

R - R1 R2
B - B1 B2 Y2
Y - Y1
G - G1
Z - G2

Where 1 is the keybus wiring and 2 is the motion wiring.
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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2018, 01:53:33 AM »
for connecting motion detectors to a keypad zone you will need to assign the keypad zones in section 020, set the zone type and make it an active zone.

connect the r and b terminals of the keypad to the smoke power terminals

connect the contacts of the motion det to z and b of the keypad

Each of the terminals of the keypad will have the following...

R - R1 R2
B - B1 B2 Y2
Y - Y1
G - G1
Z - G2

Where 1 is the keybus wiring and 2 is the motion wiring.

Many thanks! I really appreciate the replies - now everything is clear to me on how to physically connect the keypad and the sensors.

Now that solves 1 motion sensor, but what about the other one? I will have to wire 2 sensors and since one goes to the second keypad, I assume that other motion sensor will go to PC1616, right?

I have learned so far how to connect a motion sensor to the PC1616 (at least in theory), but the problem I expect is related to zone numbering:
  • the sensor I am looking to wire is now zone 11 (and zone 12 for the one going to keypad). I have only connection on PC1616 for zones 1 to 6, right? Shall I connect the current zone 11 sensor  to (lets say) Z6 connectors, then somehow programme the current zone 6 to be renamed zone 11 and vice-versa?
  • is this the correct approach?
  • if so, can someone please explain how to reprogramme, or better still tell me a good source of information where I can learn the zone programming procedure please?

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2018, 03:54:45 PM »
If you are pulling a wire from one keypad to the second keypad, then simply pull an extra wire to your second motion at the same time.

If you want to wire each motion to each keypad zone, you have to ensure that each keypad is assigned its own slot # in 000.  Then assign whatever zone number you want to each keypad zone in 020.  For example...  Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 21 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 33.  (These are just examples.)  But with zone #'s you specify, it would be Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 11 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 12.
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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2018, 02:32:13 AM »
If you are pulling a wire from one keypad to the second keypad, then simply pull an extra wire to your second motion at the same time.

If you want to wire each motion to each keypad zone, you have to ensure that each keypad is assigned its own slot # in 000.  Then assign whatever zone number you want to each keypad zone in 020.  For example...  Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 21 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 33.  (These are just examples.)  But with zone #'s you specify, it would be Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 11 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 12.

many thanks! To be honest, I also think it is best that I pull wires for both motion sensors at the same time when I wire the second keypad.

From your reply I understood that I need to look into programming zones (in menu 000?)...Any advice on programming the wired zones along with wireless one is greatly appreciated at this stage.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2018, 06:13:25 AM »
From your reply I understood that I need to look into programming zones (in menu 000?)...Any advice on programming the wired zones along with wireless one is greatly appreciated at this stage.

1n section 000 you assign the partition and slot of the keypad.


PK 5501 keypads default to partition 1 slot 1 and PK 5500 keypads default to partition 1 slot 8. The slot determines the keypad zone programming in section 020. The partition determine which partition  the keypad will arm & dis-arm.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2018, 08:02:19 AM »
From your reply I understood that I need to look into programming zones (in menu 000?)...Any advice on programming the wired zones along with wireless one is greatly appreciated at this stage.

1n section 000 you assign the partition and slot of the keypad.


PK 5501 keypads default to partition 1 slot 1 and PK 5500 keypads default to partition 1 slot 8. The slot determines the keypad zone programming in section 020. The partition determine which partition  the keypad will arm & dis-arm.

Many thanks! I downloaded the DSC programming manual  - it seems I need to spend a night or two with it before posting any more questions here.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2018, 02:37:16 AM »
From your reply I understood that I need to look into programming zones (in menu 000?)...Any advice on programming the wired zones along with wireless one is greatly appreciated at this stage.

1n section 000 you assign the partition and slot of the keypad.


PK 5501 keypads default to partition 1 slot 1 and PK 5500 keypads default to partition 1 slot 8. The slot determines the keypad zone programming in section 020. The partition determine which partition  the keypad will arm & dis-arm.

If you are pulling a wire from one keypad to the second keypad, then simply pull an extra wire to your second motion at the same time.

If you want to wire each motion to each keypad zone, you have to ensure that each keypad is assigned its own slot # in 000.  Then assign whatever zone number you want to each keypad zone in 020.  For example...  Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 21 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 33.  (These are just examples.)  But with zone #'s you specify, it would be Keypad 11 / Keypad zone 11 and Keypad 12 / Keypad zone 12.

Just want to clarify something for myself here:
If I wire both motion sensors to the PC1616 (NOT to the second keypad as in my initial post), do i still have to do all the dancing with programming the second keypad?

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Re: adding another keypad and wiring some motion detection
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2018, 07:10:25 AM »
If you run the wires to the PC 1616 and have un-used zones you don,'t have to use keypad zones. If you are already using all 6 zones on the main board you will have to add a PC5108 or use the keypad inputs to use zones 7 and 8.
If you have the standard PC 1616 box you will need Double stick tape to mount the PC5108 in the box. The larger box which is standard with the PC1832 has mounting holes on the side of the box for the PC5108.


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